Agenda and minutes

Scrutiny Committee
Wednesday, 7th February, 2018 7.00 pm

Venue: Civic Offices, St Nicholas Way, Sutton SM1 1EA

Contact: Davena Palmer, Committee Services Team Leader (Interim)  Tel: 020 8770 4990, Email:

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Apologies for absence and notifications of substitutes


Apologies were received from Councillor Hunt and Councillor Nick Emmerson with Councillor Sunita Gordon attending as a substitute.



Minutes of the last meeting pdf icon PDF 152 KB

To approve as a correct record the minutes of the meeting held on 18 October 2017.



Regarding minute 28 the Chair explained that a task and finish group, looking at transport in the borough, was to be established however it would now be looked at in the new cycle of meetings.


RESOLVED that: the minutes of the meeting held on 18 October 2017 were agreed and signed as a correct record.


Declarations of interest



Councillor Sunita Gordon, non-pecuniary, a member of the Adult Social Services and Health Committee.

Councillor Chris Williams, non-pecuniary, a member of the Adult Social Services and Health Committee.


Councillor Mary Burstow, non-pecuniary, a volunteer for Sutton’s Carer Centre



Chair's Q&A

Councillor Colin Stears to attend in his role as the Chair of Adult Social Services and Health Committee, to answer questions from Scrutiny Committee members.


Councillor Colin Stears attended to respond to questions in his role as Chair of Adult Social Services and Health. The questions and answers are set out as an appendix to the minutes.

Councillor Stears gave an introduction on the remit of ASSH Committee.



Policing in Sutton

The Committee will look at the 'One Met Model' on local crime and policing, and look at the implications for the London Borough of Sutton. Either Borough Commander Robyn Williams or Superintendent Mark Williams will be in attendance as a witness.




Superintendent Mark Lawrence attended to address the Committee on the One Met Model highlighting that:

  • The ‘One Met Model was a transformational piece of work designed to change the ways in which the Metropolitan Police (Met) polices, make efficiencies in leadership costs, and provide more efficient use of buildings, and ways in which the police respond.


  • The expected model is likely to comprise of 12 Basic Command Units (BCU’s), a Chief Superintendent responsible for strategy and tactics, and the proposal for Sutton is that the model will cover Bromley, Croydon and Sutton.


  • There would be no changes to neighbourhood policing, officer school youth offer, police station response and cradle to the grave investigating.


  • There will be a change in the number of Senior Officers and there will be less exposure to the BCU Commander


  • In April 2018 all officers will be given tablets, helping them to become more efficient, and the Met are heavily invested in phone and online crime reporting.


  • The Superintendent noted that both the Sutton Council Leader and Chief Executive had expressed concerns that this larger model with two big authorities would impact Sutton.  


The Superintendent advised that following the announcement of the new model it would be implemented in 3 waves with the Bromley, Croydon and Sutton BCU expected to be in the third phase starting in January 2019.


Members asked questions regarding the officer tablets and whether there were functions for uploading a photo or video to report to crime. The Superintendent explained that officers were mostly using Microsoft tablets and Lenovo laptops and were currently procuring a single solution to bring the various police databases into one place. The superintendent also confirmed that they do have the technology to upload photos and videos.


Members reported that some residents have had issues using the 101 number and the police website to report Anti-Social Behaviour (ASB). The Superintendent said that they are having resourcing issues and advised the Committee that people can email their local safer neighbourhood team depending on the urgency.


Members raised concerns about the potential joint arrangements with Croydon, their high crime levels and widespread stop and search. The Superintendent explained that the joint arrangements were not what they would have chosen, but there are significant savings which need to be made. Stop and search is always controversial but there has been a big increase in knife crime therefore proper intelligence and ethical use of police powers are necessary. He said further that forming a community monitoring group is encouraged as they scrutinise the use of stop and search, and all officer’s must turn on their body cam during a stop and search.


Members enquired as to how it could be ensured that the new model doesn’t become a one size fits all. The Superintendent said that the One Met Model does give some flexibility and it allows local priorities to be looked at and local decisions to be made.


Members asked what role Sutton Scrutiny will have to play and whether it  ...  view the full minutes text for item 34.


Sutton Health and Care Update pdf icon PDF 51 KB

Under this item the Committee will:


·         Be briefed on and discuss the updated Sustainability Transformation Programme published on 30 November 2017.


·         Receive an update on progress on the ‘Sutton Health and Care’ project from the NHS Sutton CCG and Epsom and St Helier NHS Trust.


·         Hear an update from the Epsom and St Helier NHS Trust including their next steps in taking their Strategic Outline Case (SOC) forward; clinical and financial position; and Quality Account priorities update.


Additional documents:


35 (a).         Sustainability and Transformation Plan:


The Committee was addressed by Claire Wilson, Deputy Managing Director of NHS Sutton Clinical Commissioning Group, who updated the committee on the updated Sustainability Transformation Partnership  document  published on 30 November 2017.

It was highlighted that:

  • They were trying to establish a more sustainable system and the Sustainability and Transformation Plan (STP) was designed to work out ways where partnership services can work better, more efficiently
  • A local transformation board had been established to look at and deliver a model of care called Sutton Health and Care
  • The Red bag scheme developed in Sutton was now being shared across South London
  • An extra work stream has been established where commissioners will look at the types of services they want to commision in the future


Members asked for clarification on what the clinical commissioning group does in relation to patient care and where Sutton residents fit into the process of commissioning.  The Deputy Managing Director explained that they have service providers (GP’s) and as local commissioners are responsible for making sure those services are funded in the right way. In regards to Sutton residents one example is the work they did with the parents forum on children with ADHD and the pressures on SW London George’s hospital. They worked together to address issues and make improvements and involved patients in all the design procedures.


Members asked the Deputy Managing Director how she felt the partnership working was doing under financial pressures. The Deputy Managing Director agreed that there wasn’t enough money in the system but they are hoping to receive some transformation money and extra funding for innovative pieces of work. Daniel Elkeles, Chief Executive of the Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals NHS Trust, added further that there was a good alignment of leadership in Sutton health and care agencies, and there are proposals to take some of the money for emergency care, to support and provide more services of non-hospital care including the charity sector.


Members asked of the Sutton Clinical Commissioning Group whether they felt their processes between the GP and the Trust were as efficient as they could be, and how much of the disconnect was due to targets. The Deputy Managing Director said that it was a mixed picture as referrals do get through to the various organisations quickly but not always. Sutton is very good at knowing where patients are in the system, but need to do more to make sure patients get to the right place at the right time.


Members asked for more innovative thinking to better support charities, not just financially but perhaps with skills and training on topics like like GDPR. The Chief Executive said this was a great suggestion and they were looking at potential joint working with charities, in addressing loneliness.


The Deputy Managing Director explained that as a commissioning organisation they expect providers to include their overheads, and make plans and demonstrate that they are sustainable, including charities.


Members commented that  ...  view the full minutes text for item 35.


Any urgent business

Brought forward at the discretion of the Chair.

Question and Answer transcript pdf icon PDF 92 KB